Friday, June 24, 2016


It would be like Texas leaving the Union.  New border stations go up with neighbors and economic progress is stifled.  All made possible by the rising and peculiar leadership of the ignorant, greedy, and just plain stupid people who don't know what is in their own best interests.  That is what happened in England yesterday as the Brits left the EU.  

Could it happen here? Yes it could in a different way.  And that would be Trump winning and the continuing GOP leadership in the House of Reps.  And so the challenge for the Sanders people is to not be ignorant, but choose intellect over racist populism.

Government isn't easy, especially in this time of global economics.  But it is easier than what the Brits are now going to have to endure.  Wait and see.


Anonymous said...

My English niece (teacher) voted 'OUT'. Her husband (Policeman) voted 'IN'.

Anonymous said...

I was going to vote for Johnson but after Brexit I will be voting Hilary. Scotland is now going to vote to leave the United Kingdom. The Brexit people are going to get their wish, I just don't think they know what they are wishing for.

Anonymous said...

Maybe we can get Trump to go over the pond and be Prime Minister of Great Britain seeing as their vote is the type of Nationalism Trump is promoting, unless of course he is elected President which is not too hard to imagine.

Bubba Muntzer said...

The people in the UK who voted to leave the European Union know better what the EU is than the typical American with only a sketchy to casual knowledge of it. It's a set of economic arrangements, made by and for the ruling class, and it's achieving its main objective of driving down wages across the EU by allowing the hiring of people from anywhere, so that workers in high cost of living places like the UK have to compete with workers in Bulgaria and Romania and etc. The xenophobic element of Brexit can be called a misguided reaction to it, but like Trumpism is, it's a reaction to something real, declining living standards.

There was always hope that the EU could be taken over politically, and there are a few Green and progressive members on the EU commission, but I think that hope was like the hope Sanders supporters had of making the Democratic Party more progressive. We saw how that worked out today in Philadelphia when the platform committee essentially told the Sanders supporters, up yours. You get nothing.

The hash tag #DemPlatform, where Sanders supporters are talking and venting about what happened today, is still trending on Twitter and it's 3:30 a.m. Don't expect many of those Sanders supporters to vote for Hillary.

The Democrats' strategy all around in this election has been ill advised, from that, to constantly calling Sanders supporters stupid, to running a campaign that isn't about anything and offers no vision for America but is only about fear mongering Donald Trump. No reason is being offered to vote for Clinton but one, Trump, and there are many people starting to think no matter what he is, he's a better option than the alternative, if we keep electing fiscal conservative Democrats, which is going to be, ultimately, wages like they get in Romania.

Jim Baca said...

I agree with you, but destroying your own country to fix the inequities is a case of not trusting the next generation to fix anything. And I think they will. So, I just have to vote for Hillary and hope for the best. Patience is a virtue.

Anonymous said...

Bubba, Good Points. The Right is manipulating the real needs and concerns of the majority of the people, while those opposed to the Right largely ignore them or just voice platitudes.

Bubba Muntzer said...

Fair enough, Jim. And whatever we leave them to fix I think they'll be in a better position to do so because they suffer from fewer illusions about Capitalism than we do. Young people, polls show, have negative views of Capitalism and are just as likely to favor Socialism. They are, after all, the core of Bernie Sanders' support. They are the ones with the $50K student loan debt and part time and precarious employment. They're behind what's happening in Spain today. They were the drive behind the Occupy and Black Lives Matter movements, which, being Anarchist and "horizontalist" in structure pose a different kind of threat to the established order.

Interestingly, young people in the UK were largely in favor of staying in the European Union, according to these charts in The Independent.

Why that is, I don't know, but some young millennial intellectuals who run a London radio station whose podcasts I listen to rushed one out to express their disappointment over the Brexit vote and it seemed to me they are more embarrassed by it because it paints Brits as xenophobic.

After all is said and done, as they say, it could just be that there are historical forces at work over which no one has any control. It's happened before. We -- that is, the people who are talking about Brexit in the mainstream US and European media -- have seen nothing but many years of relative stability. Every now and then there are major disruptions. It's unsettling to think about and we might experience some hardships, and we tend to think of interruptions to what we're accustomed to as hardships. We might have to just hold on and survive it. Or look at it another way. Hold on, the young people are coming.

Bubba Muntzer said...

A new poll shows Sanders supporters have lined up behind Hillary, and faster than Hillary supporters lined up behind Obama in 08.

So it's on her now. You can stop blaming Sanders supporters in advance.

The second article, though, warns that younger people and Hispanics may not turn out to vote and that makes the contest closer than polls indicate. It says that's traditional so I don't know if you can put that on her or not.